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Faith vs. Reason
« on: February 17, 2011, 11:13:17 PM »
So..... I forgot to do my homework over the weekend and I'm enlisting you for help to try and breath life into the board.

What are your feelings on the subject? This is taking the question away from the idea of "science vs. religion" and into a broader picture of what goes in the thought process to get to those points. One way to look at it is to ask "Can science and religion/faith and reason exist together or are they separate thoughts entirely?"
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Re: Faith vs. Reason
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2011, 01:38:30 AM »
So..... I forgot to do my homework...

I think the best thing we can do is hijack this thread, and point and laugh because you forgot to do your homework.

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Re: Faith vs. Reason
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2011, 06:13:51 AM »
*Joins in at laughing.*

I have faith that I'm way too sober at way too late a time to ponder the reasoning behind metaphysical discussions.
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Re: Faith vs. Reason
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2011, 07:39:01 AM »
Why not try to go beyond even faith and reason?  Different ways of thinking completely.  One searches for truth beyond what is known consciously, while the other looks for solid information to create a known reality.  We use both everyday and the concepts of science and religion are those types of thought process at their most extremes thereby becoming polar opposites. Both have to be taken into account in order to form a clear view on our place in the world.

... at least in my opinion
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Re: Faith vs. Reason
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2011, 08:20:51 PM »
Why not try to go beyond even faith and reason?  Different ways of thinking completely.  One searches for truth beyond what is known consciously, while the other looks for solid information to create a known reality.  We use both everyday and the concepts of science and religion are those types of thought process at their most extremes thereby becoming polar opposites. Both have to be taken into account in order to form a clear view on our place in the world.

... at least in my opinion

*hits Psycho with Pointy Stick for using complexish-like thoughts and reasoning in our forum*

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Re: Faith vs. Reason
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2011, 10:29:12 PM »
*points and laughs*

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I was going to offer to buy pints for whoever helps... guess that's out of the question.
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Re: Faith vs. Reason
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2011, 04:39:16 AM »
Both have to be taken into account in order to form a clear view on our place in the world.

do they have to be taken into account as opposites or do they just have to be considered as separate parts of understanding? in your mind, can the two work together?
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Re: Faith vs. Reason
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2011, 07:53:05 AM »
They have to be taken as separate parts and styles of understanding the same reality.  Taken together they can create a cohesive picture of our reality.  The issue is that the idea of "faith" is thrown around in some odd ways.  The way i look at it all that is needed is faith in the remnants of instinct.  The knowledge that is already within us can be grasped.  The hints we get from it can be likened to the "word of god" or classical thoughts on the inspirational muses.  Art itself tries to convey something beyond the definition of words as the definition limits meaning.  It connects with empathy and the struggle between the two is very right brain left brain for me.  One defines to allow simple and understandable connection (left brain, mathematics and language centers) with the other is more abstract and visual (right brain).  People tend to have a style or inadvertently pick one or the other up.  From that point on it becomes rather difficult to see the other side as anything but irrational.

     I believe that there is knowledge within all of us that is ignored and it requires a certain mount of that faith to look at it.  That knowledge is interpreted in many different ways which is where i think much of religion comes from, especially shamanic tendencies. 

For the TL/DR version and because i have work in a few hours, i think that they have to be understood as balancing forces within the mind and taking either to an extreme is counterproductive.  So its not whether they can or cant work together, but that they have to work together to truly try to understand the world.
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Re: Faith vs. Reason
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2011, 12:11:02 AM »
I think they're intertwined. Science pushes new ideas and technologies, but is motivated by faith. Why do we feel the urge to always improve ourselves anyway?

Simply, religious faith should not be met without at least some personal skepticism. Something I think we can all agree on.

But how much each person distinguishes between whats in the Head and whats in the Hand is what's makes us unique I guess.
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Re: Faith vs. Reason
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2011, 06:41:40 AM »
Well said KMD
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