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Terrorist convicted - the left cries
« on: August 17, 2007, 07:38:43 AM »
High-fives on the right

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/08/16/breaking-padilla-verdict-expected-at-2-pm/


and bitter tears on the left

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-news/comments/2007/08/16/60738

best comment by a conservative trolling at HuffPo?

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This slug gets a trial, Libs are not happy. If we shoot him on the battlefield, Libs won't be happy. If we lock him up at Club Gitmo, Libs are not happy.

Bottom line: Libs are never happy with anything our country does to protect their lame asses.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Re: Terrorist convicted - the left cries
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2007, 07:48:14 AM »
Except that it is a huge overgeneralization.

I'm a massive tree-hugging liberal, and I'm glad the guy was caught, I'm glad he was in prison for 3 years, and I'm glad he was convicted.

And gee... I'm not the only liberal who thinks this.

And to generalize myself... why do rightists so quickly cry 'liberal'! when they see a few posts that support their lameass theory that all liberals think alike, all liberals are bad for the country, and all liberals don't have a clue.

I can find a few posts that support my theory that all republicans are whore-mongering capitalists, they don't give a damn about the environment, and want to abandon all social programs because they are greedy money-suckers.

But I don't believe that.  So why sling such outrageous statements in our face?  There's good guys and bad guys on both sides.  To tar one side or the other with these huge (and blinded) generalizations is... wait for it, you knew it was coming... JUST FUCKING STUPID!

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Re: Terrorist convicted - the left cries
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2007, 08:06:30 AM »
Except that it is a huge overgeneralization.

I'm a massive tree-hugging liberal, and I'm glad the guy was caught, I'm glad he was in prison for 3 years, and I'm glad he was convicted.

And gee... I'm not the only liberal who thinks this.

And to generalize myself... why do rightists so quickly cry 'liberal'! when they see a few posts that support their lameass theory that all liberals think alike, all liberals are bad for the country, and all liberals don't have a clue.

I can find a few posts that support my theory that all republicans are whore-mongering capitalists, they don't give a damn about the environment, and want to abandon all social programs because they are greedy money-suckers.

But I don't believe that.  So why sling such outrageous statements in our face?  There's good guys and bad guys on both sides.  To tar one side or the other with these huge (and blinded) generalizations is... wait for it, you knew it was coming... JUST FUCKING STUPID!



Where did I say "all liberals"? Of course not all liberals feel that way but the ones that are running the party do for the most part. These are the Kos and HuffPo people that the Democratic leadership is stumbling all over themselves to please. Go ahead and head on over to Kos or that HuffPo link I provided and see what those people are saying. Most are beside themselves with anger or grief because a known terrorist was caught, tried, and convicted. They are crying, "Scapegoat!" and such about a guy whose fingerprints were found on an Al-Queda application and whose location and terrorist mission were given up to authorities by another captured terrorist.
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Re: Terrorist convicted - the left cries
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2007, 01:06:48 PM »
I can't see why anyone could complain about this - at least he got a trial, which is more than you can say about many of the "terrorists" at Guantanamo.

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Re: Terrorist convicted - the left cries
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2007, 02:07:04 PM »
I can't see why anyone could complain about this - at least he got a trial, which is more than you can say about many of the "terrorists" at Guantanamo.

Ah but see, he's another one that people referred to as a "terrorist". He was held as an enemy combatant without trial because...well he was an enemy combatant. Now I don't agree with holding American citizens without trial so I'd glad this one happened and he had his day in court. However it's not like the people being held down there are innocent little angels that were swept up out of their beds by a dictatorship in the middle of the night. Despite what many on the left would tell you.

As for the ones that aren't American citizens, they can rot in there. They are prisoners of war until the war is over.
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Re: Terrorist convicted - the left cries
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2007, 02:10:27 PM »
Which still flies in the face of our agreements, no matter how you slice it.

That is the only problem I have. I dont think people are saying that these are great people who sould be released at once.. but that even if they are bad people, they are still protected under our international agreements to afford even enemy combatants basic rights such as representation.


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Re: Terrorist convicted - the left cries
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2007, 02:17:34 PM »

That is the only problem I have. I dont think people are saying that these are great people who sould be released at once

Which of course is why so many have been calling for the prison down there to be shut down?
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Re: Terrorist convicted - the left cries
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2007, 02:24:06 PM »
Because it has came to sybolise our flaunting of international agreements, human rights and other such deals? You dont have to release the prisoners to shut down a prison.. but fact of the matter is that Gitmo is tainted, not only at home but on the international stage and even if it is only symbolic, we would be better off shutting it down.

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Re: Terrorist convicted - the left cries
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2007, 05:46:59 PM »
With your subject title "the left cries", you are damning all persons with a liberal view. It's called 'tarring'.  Just fucking stop it.

I'm on the left.
I'm not crying.

Could we just once debate the issue (the conviction) instead of dragging left/right (and the associated "those shites are always fucked") into it?
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Re: Terrorist convicted - the left cries
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2007, 05:52:31 PM »
With your subject title "the left cries", you are damning all persons with a liberal view. It's called 'tarring'.  Just fucking stop it.

I'm on the left.
I'm not crying.

Could we just once debate the issue (the conviction) instead of dragging left/right (and the associated "those shites are always fucked") into it?


Ok, from now on I'll try to substitute "the people running the political left in the US" for "the left".  :P
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Re: Terrorist convicted - the left cries
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2007, 06:28:27 PM »
"the left"

"the political left"

"The people running the political left"

Ya know, I just don't see any value in using these terms (substitute 'right' if you wish).  It's just a misguided attempt to blame woes on a nebulous and undefined group who are basically just talking heads or entertainers.

Stick to specific issues.
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Re: Terrorist convicted - the left cries
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2007, 06:35:39 PM »
"the left"

"the political left"

"The people running the political left"

Ya know, I just don't see any value in using these terms (substitute 'right' if you wish).  It's just a misguided attempt to blame woes on a nebulous and undefined group who are basically just talking heads or entertainers.

Stick to specific issues.

I think the fact that a huge chunk of the people that vote for Democrats are upset that this scumbag was convicted is a very specific issue. These are the same people that have never wanted us to succeed in Iraq and only because it would be a victory for Bush in their eyes. How crazed do you have to be to actually root for our enemies to win or avoid conviction just because you hate the sitting President so much? That's freakin nuts.
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Re: Terrorist convicted - the left cries
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2007, 09:29:02 PM »
The right and the left are both wrong.

We must go forwards, not backwards. Upwards, not forwards. And ever twirling, twirling towards freedom!

To be fair, though, I think the only thing that separates nations like the US from nations like Sudan are that we have citizens that get pissed when our nation does something stupid.

I believe we refer to that as "eternal vigilance."

If that's not enough enlightenment era rhetoric for you try this one on for size...

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Re: Terrorist convicted - the left cries
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2007, 09:33:48 PM »
Yeah because the war was so unpopular at the start, right? Most of the 'nay sayers' didnt become nay sayers until things started to not pan out as far as the justifications used. A fairly limited number of people were actually strictly against the war when it was being talked about and that is something that most of these people have to eventually realise.. that it's as much their fault for the war as it is Bush's.

For the record, the issues ive always had with the war wasnt so much the war but the reasons.. and Ive voiced them since the very begining.

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Re: Terrorist convicted - the left cries
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2007, 09:58:30 PM »

To be fair, though, I think the only thing that separates nations like the US from nations like Sudan are that we have citizens that get pissed when our nation does something stupid.

I have to disagree. I bet the Sudan is full of people that are pissed off at their government. It's just that, unlike us, they can't do anything about it. But then we have the power to do something about it and never do so *shrug*
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