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Re: Religion - Good or Bad?
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2007, 11:03:55 PM »
Quote from: Sweetpea on August 31, 2007, 02:33:43 PM
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'who cares about climate change when there's the 2nd coming.'

i actually know people who say stuff like this....and i used to get embarrassed for them cause they dont have the inclination to be embarrassed for themselves.  I dont talk to them anymore.

That's a foolish attitude for them to have.

If you believe in the upcoming Rapture it's still horrible to think you don't have to care about the planet. From what I remember in the Bible there's a reference to the inability to predict the time and date of the Rapture. Something about God coming like a thief in the night. Also there's a few passages about taking care of the planet.

If you don't care about the planet because of the end of the world aren't you going against what's in the Bible?

Brug could probably shed some light on this.
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Re: Religion - Good or Bad?
« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2007, 01:25:55 AM »
yes, it does say that in the Bible which is why they're also told to be constantly vigilant against the devil who could swoop in and steal your soul at any minute.

it gets to the point when thats all they care about and nothing else matters.

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Re: Religion - Good or Bad?
« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2007, 05:12:16 PM »
Quote from: Doombot on August 31, 2007, 11:03:55 PM

If you don't care about the planet because of the end of the world aren't you going against what's in the Bible?

Brug could probably shed some light on this.

Well I had kind of decided to take a break from the debate forums but as I was asked to clarify this point, I'll attempt to do so.

I honestly don't know if the Bible has any specific scriptures calling believers to take care of the planet. However I do feel that we should. I've said here before that it really angers me when I see certain things going on like the dumping of waste into the oceans. I feel ilke God gave us this place to live and we should do the best we can within reason to take care of it.

I'll look around a bit and see if I can find any specific scriptures about it. I kind of doubt they are there since nothing is jumping out at me atm.

Edit - Oh and yes there are scriptures that say that only God knows the time of the rapture (although "rapture" is never used in the Bible).
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Re: Religion - Good or Bad?
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2007, 01:37:35 AM »
I'm paraphrasing but I seem to remember something along the line of:

I the Lord have given you these animals... you have lordship or the responsibility FOR the animals.

Ah. I think I found what I was looking for.

"The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. "

It's the Garden but it's reasonable that God would want the same care to be extended to other areas outside the Garden now that they're out of the garden.

AH here's another.

"And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth."

Oh. This post is directed toward the people that don't care about the planet. Since I'm posting quotes in response to Brugs post it might come off like I'm trying to convince him. I just want his feedback on their quotes. I believe Brug isn't the type to go: Well... the end is coming. Who cares about the sludge in the river?

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Re: Religion - Good or Bad?
« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2007, 06:40:52 AM »
Quote from: Brugdor on September 03, 2007, 05:12:16 PM
Oh and yes there are scriptures that say that only God knows the time of the rapture (although "rapture" is never used in the Bible).

That's because it wasn't written in English.
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Re: Religion - Good or Bad?
« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2007, 07:38:00 AM »
Quote from: BlueCross on September 04, 2007, 06:40:52 AM
Quote from: Brugdor on September 03, 2007, 05:12:16 PM
Oh and yes there are scriptures that say that only God knows the time of the rapture (although "rapture" is never used in the Bible).

That's because it wasn't written in English.

*smite*

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Re: Religion - Good or Bad?
« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2007, 10:48:51 PM »
Omg. I got quoted?
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Sorry, side-tracked.
I believe the word you're looking for Brug is ZING!!
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Re: Religion - Good or Bad?
« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2007, 10:59:27 PM »
ZING is in the Bible??

*wonders what context*
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Re: Religion - Good or Bad?
« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2007, 11:26:00 PM »
Quote from: BlueCross on September 04, 2007, 10:59:27 PM
ZING is in the Bible??

*wonders what context*

Smite begat Burn; and Burn begat Zing; and Zing begat Pwnd and his/her brethren.
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Re: Religion - Good or Bad?
« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2007, 11:29:38 PM »
How leet.
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Re: Religion - Good or Bad?
« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2007, 11:47:53 PM »
Quote from: BlueCross on September 04, 2007, 11:29:38 PM
How leet.

Cut and Pasted from the leet bible.

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Re: Religion - Good or Bad?
« Reply #41 on: September 05, 2007, 12:35:59 AM »
J35u5 w3p7.
n00b.

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Re: Religion - Good or Bad?
« Reply #42 on: September 05, 2007, 11:37:13 AM »
no more leet!!!!  its giving me a headache and I dont like the fact that I can read it, its soul destroying stuff.

and i didnt mean to imply that brug would destroy the world, he's too big and cuddly and bearded for that, but just saying i know people who only read certain bits of the bible cause thats the bits they're told to read by church elders, with an agenda.

ah church politics, dont miss it at all
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Re: Religion - Good or Bad?
« Reply #43 on: September 05, 2007, 04:35:18 PM »
Quote from: Sweetpea on September 05, 2007, 11:37:13 AM
no more leet!!!!  its giving me a headache and I dont like the fact that I can read it, its soul destroying stuff.


I feel the same why when I read Fark and I understand some terms. What terms? Oh... I don't think I should say but it's 'out there'.

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Re: Religion - Good or Bad?
« Reply #44 on: September 05, 2007, 05:29:21 PM »
I'm not sure what scared me most; the fact that I read that leet perfectly of the fact that I heard it in the voice of Jules from pulp fiction.  I spend too much time in culturally, and possibly morally. bankrupt pursuits.
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