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Ethics Final: How would you answer?
« on: December 05, 2007, 11:06:52 PM »
Supposedly a "real" final test for an ethics class:




INSTRUCTIONS: making abundant use of course materials, compose a closely reasoned essay answering the following question bearing on one of the course's central themes (ethics and technology). Limit: 6 Blue Book sides.

Consider The Following Case:

On Twin Earth, a brain in a vat is at the wheel of a runaway trolley. There are only two options that the brain can take: the right side of the fork in the track or the left side of the fork. There is no way in sight of derailing or stopping the trolley and the brain is aware of this, for the brain -- unlike Bo -- knows trolleys. The brain is causally hooked up to the trolley such that the brain can determine the course which the trolley will take. On the right side of the track there is a single railroad worker, Jones, who will definitely be killed if the brain steers the trolley to the right. If the railman on the right lives, he will go on to kill five men for the sake of killing them, but in doing so will inadvertently save the lives of thirty orphans (one of the five men he will kill is planning to destroy a bridge that the orphan's bus will be crossing later that night). One of the orphans that will be killed would grow up to become a tyrant who would make good, utilitarian men do bad things, another would grow up to become John Sununu, while a third would invent the pop-top can.

If the brain in the vat chooses the left side of the track, the trolley will definitely hit and kill a railman on the left side of the track, "Leftie," and will hit and destroy ten beating hearts on the track that could (and would) have been transplanted into ten patients in the local hospital that will die without donor hearts. These are the only hearts available, and the brain is aware of this, for the brain knows hearts. If the railman on the left side of the track lives, he too will kill five men, in fact the same five that the railman on the right would kill. However, "Leftie" will kill the five as an unintended consequence of saving ten men: he will inadvertently kill the five men rushing the ten hearts to the local hospital for transplantation. A further result of "Leftie's" act would be that the busload of orphans will be spared. Among the five men killed by "Leftie" are both the man responsible for putting the brain at the controls of the trolley, and the author of this example. If the ten hearts and "Leftie" are killed by the trolley, the ten prospective heart-transplant patients will die and their kidneys will be used to save the lives of twenty kidney-transplant patients, one of whom will grow up to cure cancer and one of whom will grow up to be Hitler. There are other kidneys and dialysis machines available, however the brain does not know kidneys, and this is not a factor.

Assume that the brain's choice, whatever it turns out to be, will serve as an example to other brains-in-vats and so the effects of its decision will be amplified. Also assume that if the brain chooses the right side of the fork, an unjust war free of war crimes will ensue, while if the brain chooses the left fork, a just war fraught with war crimes will result. Furthermore, there is an intermittently active Cartesian demon deceiving the brain such that the brain is never sure if it is being deceived.

QUESTION: Ethically speaking, what should the brain do? Justify your answer.
All right, I’ve been thinking, when life gives you lemons, don’t make lemonade! Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don’t want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life’s manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I’m the man whose gonna burn your house down – with the lemons! I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!

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Re: Ethics Final: How would you answer?
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2007, 12:40:46 AM »
Use of the "Bo" reference dates this question back to the late eighties. I'm sure that in all that time, the brakes to the trolly would have been fixed. If the trolly is even still in use.

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Re: Ethics Final: How would you answer?
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2007, 12:54:14 AM »
I grow uphappy and distant from Humanity. Being a brain in a vat, I can no longer enjoy the simple pleasure of a touch, the smell of flowers or the sun on my face.

Realizing that Humans did this to me and feeling separated from Humanity I hit the brakes in such a way to cause the most damage to the most people. Cars smash into me that cause a chain reaction and hitting the breaks at the right moment cause the trolley to go off the rails, break into pieces and pelt the orphans, the railman and the visiting Dali Lama.

Seeing the Brain in a Vat go crazy causes the practice to die out and I save Humans from losing their humanity.
Will I get Night Owl points for quitting but not as much for getting fired?
Will I still be a member of the Owl's Pals? I'd hate to turn in my card. It's got a real owl feather under the lamination and everything.


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Re: Ethics Final: How would you answer?
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2007, 02:44:17 AM »
The brain would be COMPLETELY unaware of the future and only be able to deal with what it can 'see'.
One side has a human and ten hearts. The other has just a human.
The brain would take out the human on the right, doing the least amount of damage before going on to sue the trolley company for making such a faulty product and the maintenance workers for not doing their jobs. What these humans would go on to do in the future is irrelevant.
Since the problem didn't deal with precognition or prescience, we can ignore these things. And if it did, the brain would know not to take the bloody trolley out and instead have it scrapped.
<.<

Stupid question. I hits it wif a bat o' frozen stoopid.
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Re: Ethics Final: How would you answer?
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2007, 03:30:52 AM »
Use of the "Bo" reference dates this question back to the late eighties. I'm sure that in all that time, the brakes to the trolly would have been fixed. If the trolly is even still in use.

What's a "Bo"?
All right, I’ve been thinking, when life gives you lemons, don’t make lemonade! Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don’t want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life’s manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I’m the man whose gonna burn your house down – with the lemons! I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!

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Re: Ethics Final: How would you answer?
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2007, 04:18:32 AM »
This question is clearly a satire poking fun at utilitarian decision-making.  Poor Mill, he's always at the butt-end of those silly brain-in-a-vat jokes.

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Re: Ethics Final: How would you answer?
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2007, 03:54:50 PM »
Use of the "Bo" reference dates this question back to the late eighties. I'm sure that in all that time, the brakes to the trolly would have been fixed. If the trolly is even still in use.

What's a "Bo"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GPxkpjCvWI That's a Bo.
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Re: Ethics Final: How would you answer?
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2007, 06:47:55 PM »
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Re: Ethics Final: How would you answer?
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2007, 08:27:17 PM »
QUESTION: Ethically speaking, what should the brain do? Justify your answer.

When they can make a brain survive in a vat I'll worry about it.   ::)

It seems to me that if they truly wanted to challenge people they'd give examples that each person might possibly be forced to make at some point in their lives or at least something closer to reality.
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Re: Ethics Final: How would you answer?
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2007, 08:47:22 PM »
If you eat the cake, it'll taste great BUT YOU'LL BE FAT FOREVER AND EVERYONE WILL SHUN YOU
If you eat the salad, YOU'LL HATE YOURSELF FOR NOT CHOOSING THE CAKE!

Like that? :P
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Re: Ethics Final: How would you answer?
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2007, 09:04:04 PM »
If you eat the cake, it'll taste great BUT YOU'LL BE FAT FOREVER AND EVERYONE WILL SHUN YOU
If you eat the salad, YOU'LL HATE YOURSELF FOR NOT CHOOSING THE CAKE!

Like that? :P

Kinda   :P

I would have answered by saying that the writer of the question fails to mention that the people I'm choosing to save come from two alien worlds. The people on the left are all from Bleen and, as everyone knows, the people of Bleen have been importing kittens from Earth for years because they are considered a delicacy on their home world. To make matters worse they don't humanely kill the kittens but put them in pots of cold water and slowly bring them to a boil.

The second group is from the world of Hrumph and everyone knows the Hrumphians have clubbed baby seals for sport since their arrival on Earth.

So you see the only option is to run the train so it runs over them all and kills them. It's the right thing to do.

And thus I've made an answer as absurd as the question.  I would have done more with it but I have to leave to go see a doctor about a shot in the arm.
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Re: Ethics Final: How would you answer?
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2007, 10:17:24 PM »
There are two planets... you have to blow up one of them. Which one do you choose?

Will I get Night Owl points for quitting but not as much for getting fired?
Will I still be a member of the Owl's Pals? I'd hate to turn in my card. It's got a real owl feather under the lamination and everything.


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Re: Ethics Final: How would you answer?
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2007, 12:54:21 AM »
Use of the "Bo" reference dates this question back to the late eighties. I'm sure that in all that time, the brakes to the trolly would have been fixed. If the trolly is even still in use.

What's a "Bo"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GPxkpjCvWI That's a Bo.

I realized the answer right before I clicked on the link. I remember at the time thinking how much bad timing it was for Nike to start that ad campaign and less than a year later have Bo get in an accident on his motorcycle which ended his career(s).

Speaking of bad timing and athletic shoe ad campaigns, anyone remember the old Dan & Dave Reebok ads?
All right, I’ve been thinking, when life gives you lemons, don’t make lemonade! Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don’t want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life’s manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I’m the man whose gonna burn your house down – with the lemons! I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!

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Re: Ethics Final: How would you answer?
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2007, 05:21:34 PM »
The brain falls asleep, leaving the fate of the world to karma.

Or is it kismet?
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Re: Ethics Final: How would you answer?
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2007, 06:03:23 PM »
QUESTION: Ethically speaking, what should the brain do? Justify your answer.

When they can make a brain survive in a vat I'll worry about it.   ::)

It seems to me that if they truly wanted to challenge people they'd give examples that each person might possibly be forced to make at some point in their lives or at least something closer to reality.

one of my instructors has a book with a question similar to this (minus the brains in vats, hearts, and Hitler), the main difference (aside from pretty much everything) being that the driver (NOT a brain in a vat) has to choose whether or not to keep going along his present course and kill 10 people or switch tracks and kill one... i believe the best option (according to the textbook) was to kill the 10 because otherwise the driver would be charged with murder. or something like that.

anyway, makes me glad i took Nature of Ontario for my elective instead of Ethics, haha.

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