Thoughts on Moving the UV to be part of "The Vault" community.

[GuardianOfTheWastes]

You understand that you are trying to herd cats, right?

Yes, it seems that way! But I knew this is what it'd be like. So are you against it then? I don't know what you admins have been discussing, but I'd really like for you to come over. After all, it's not a huge change, just a change in location more than anything else. What would be the appropriate Catnip to entice you all to be more direct?

Move the bar and we'll there in a minute. First round on the Guardian?

'The Guardian'... See, now I like that. Better than just plain ol' Guardian. Makes me seem, special. 
And of course I'll buy the first round
*turns away*
Now where did I put that stolen credit card... Damn, seems there is no other option.
*turns back*
You guys grab a seat, I'll be back in a minute...

[TK]

I think what Bluecross means is "look a butterfly.... hmmm tasty!"

 

[Sandru]

First round on the Guardian?

I tend to enjoy my drinks either in a glass, or a female companion.

Sorry Guardian!

[The Hanged Man]

'The Guardian'... See, now I like that. Better than just plain ol' Guardian. Makes me seem, special. 

Actually it makes you sound like a news paper

Or a baby Griffon...

[GuardianOfTheWastes]

Oh yeah, that's a very good point. Damn, just when I was moving up in the world...

[GuardianOfTheWastes]

Okay, I've had a cht with Porter, and it seems that the questions are ones that we cannot know the answer to unless we begin to move forward. It's starting to get really difficult to see where this is going and people's views on it, and that means that it is difficult to answer the questions that are being directed at me. We have now got another option to present though, and that is to give you a more 'wiki' like space with the 'falloutwiki.com' domain. This has the advantages of

*More control, especially as Porter has said that what we can do with the community.falloutwiki site is actually very limited, especially as he is still not an admin there.

*The ability to add pages, which means you could write down the lore of this place and the people in it, as well as whatever else you wanted. You could even make it so that only admins could edit pages to avoid vandals.

*You could, if it's okay with Porter and I've yet to ask him, use the forum software (if you will) that he designed and ensure the wiki is centred on that.

I'm unsure of if we will be able to import this site, so it might be a case of starting anew whilst linking to here. We will be able to tell that though once we have some concrete progression and I start to talk to Curse - it's too soon for that now.

We also could give you a board on the Vault itself, which means that you would be on the site directly, but as there are already forums there, it may get lost in the mix, something we don't want.

There are some more options for you, but I would ask people to start considering more seriously - I know that sounds rude and it is asking for you to change the nature if the site for a time, but at the moment I'm getting the impression that people are against it and so they are making jokes.

I'll be staying anyway, but I hope you start to consider this offer more seriously.

EDIT: Porter tells me that it is unlikely that Curse will give us a second community site, and that it is only slow as it is going unused. He also said, to your benefit, that it is not a wiki, but rather a seperate forum. The software is this (he found it): http://www.invisionpower.com/products/board/ Lastly, it would be down to Curse not Porter to clear up the site and 'convert' it if you will, but that's not going to be an issue once you have decided what you want to do. The community site is therefore, again, the best option so I have retracted my earlier statements to the contrary. Unless you wanted a wiki...

[AcdQueen89]

Will we still have the easy-to-remember unwashed.eu and link from there, or am I going to have to remember something new?

[GuardianOfTheWastes]

What do you mean sorry? I will endevour to have the new address as unwashed.falloutwiki.com or even uv.falloutwiki.com. Is that what you mean? And yes, we'll definitely have a link back if we don't import the forum. There'd be no need to close this site, and we could definitely put the front page here as the front page for there.

[Sandru]

I think it's important for you to remember that joking is a core part of being a UV. Find a serious post on the UV and it's most likely a scam (Or Bluecross is trying to sweet talk someone again.....yeck.)

[BlueCross]

There are some more options for you, but I would ask people to start considering more seriously - I know that sounds rude and it is asking for you to change the nature if the site for a time, but at the moment I'm getting the impression that people are against it and so they are making jokes.

I'm pretty sure we are taking the offer seriously.  I don't believe people are really against it but then again, I'm not sure people are really for it either.  The general apathy and malaise that seems to now be so much a part of the Village is not an insignificant obstacle.

The strong points (as I see them) is a way to archive and revisit the lore and history (and vestibule, hey, why not?) in a format that makes all of that more easily accessible.  But at the same time, it somewhat reinforces the 'Good Old Days' syndrome, and it's handmaiden, the 'Will Never Happen Again' corollary.

If it was put to a vote (I'm not convinced that is the proper way to do it, but perhaps it is), I really don't know how I would vote.  I would say to myself "but we would lose all we currently have!', and I would answer 'and that wouldn't be much, would it?".

[Desolo]

For whats its worth, I see this as a chance to embrace what the UV IS, while not getting caught up on what it WAS... those that are left come back here for a reason, and those who havent yet returned (but more then likely will) come here because this is the great UNWASHED VILLAGE!

A place where all the batshit insanity in the wastes (or the net) can come out and PLAY! But not the stupid kind of play, the kind that makes you think, makes you wonder... MAKES you want to converse about it or hell, just watch it unfold. There is NO other group out there like this one and there WILL not be another like it.....
the UV is LEGENDARY. When I orginally came here (as in back in "my" day, not "now") I didnt belive it could exist! in it, Id met people id only HEARD of, people who happened to be In one of my favorite games of all time! (The great spammer hunt, how I wish Id have been around for that, but it was history before I came along)

But I found out that it was more then that. It was a group of people who were truly different, yet could discuss myriad things, debate opposing issues, show art, critique art, write stories, make amazing things with photoshop, talk about tasty drinks, talk philosphy and actually CARED for one another.... even though they were all different.
And in many many cases never even met face to face! THIS was the community on the net that I came to call home, and to this day I regret losing touch like I did. I missed it, and obviously missed a great deal.... but I came back. And I truly want to see this place thrive again.

Dont look at this as losing what we have, or never being able to go back to what was.... because you cant go back to the way things were, but you sure as hell can move forward, and cherish the memories gained.... because the "Good ol' days" are just days you've had, why not collect more?


holy crap that was longer then intended.... I apologize for the length of this post, but I feel I needed to say this. I loved this place and still DO love this place.

[Swash]

I think what is at the core of the village is the largely unfettered communication.  That's what made the village great.  Any new incarnation of the village would need to keep that intact.  I don't think a wiki-type space is going to have that capability.  Even this incarnation is slightly less accessable than what we used to have (though that's largely through necessity, damn spambots) but from what I understand of the wiki format is that everything is open to alteration - far too much drama potential in that for my liking.

Basically what I'm saying is that we should keep the message board format.

[GuardianOfTheWastes]

So what I've got so far is that:

*You want to keep/move what is here over to any new site
*You want it to be a message board, not a wiki
*Protection from evil-spam-bots

Am I missing something? And what do you mean about "less accessable than what we used to have"? I could look into something similar if you direct me towards it.

If the conversation keeps like this for a bit, I'll be presenting to Curse in no time to look for solutions

[Swash]

The message board we were on when I joined the village was very simple - there weren't even passwords.  It was really just a slightly more advanced guestbook, I guess.  Back in the days before people got the idea they could alter their website's standing on google by making sure their url was linked on every possible message board.

The freedom of that system helped a lot to make the village the creative outlet that it was for so many people, though.

[TK]

n/t



Seriously we've moved quite a few times at this point, I know that we always manage to track it down somehow when we dissapear but I think that we've lost some people in the move sometimes.