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In this post:  http://unwashed.eu/forum/index.php?topic=2363.msg20598#msg20598 Guardian has invited us to join the Vault (one of the fallout wiki communities, which I have consulted on occasion during FO3 and FNV, incidentally). This thread is for the community at large to discuss their thoughts and opinions on us moving. The admins will also be discussing here and in the admin forum.
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Re: Thoughts on Moving the UV to be part of "The Vault" community.
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2012, 04:41:37 PM »
I'll majorly stay out of the conversation because I don't want to seem pushy or be a nuisance. I will, however, read it, and if someone directs a question at me, I will answer it as soon as - and as best as - I can. I can also be reached by e-mail or PM, although I check these threads more regularly than my e-mail anyhow.

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Re: Thoughts on Moving the UV to be part of "The Vault" community.
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2012, 12:36:10 AM »
I'm finding that the incredible organization, informative topics, and huge degree of sophistication in "The Vault" to be highly disturbing.

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Re: Thoughts on Moving the UV to be part of "The Vault" community.
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2012, 06:30:14 PM »
If you think about it, these fora are actually very well organised too...  ::)
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Re: Thoughts on Moving the UV to be part of "The Vault" community.
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2012, 06:59:01 PM »
Interesting suggestion...

Ive just recently returned to the Village after a long hiatus, and have to say that it would make me happy to see the place florish again, as some of my best loved moments in the past had happened here, and would love to be able to see it busy and generally awesome as it was before.

For what its worth, from little ol' me: I say give it a chance. This of course comes from a lurking/lost/forgotten shlub like me  :( But I loved this place and still do. and thats all I can say.
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Re: Thoughts on Moving the UV to be part of "The Vault" community.
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2012, 11:24:25 PM »
This might not be a bad idea at all. What the Village really needs is three things:

1. More active members
2. An identity

As I see it, this suggestion helps with #1. Also, actually having an audience might bring back the village idiots in all of us.

Best case scenario: Village is revived with the influx of new members
Wost case scenario: We bring back this forum (I'll maintain it in a read only state in case of a move)

The only hinderance I see from a techincal standup is that we have to reach some sort of concensus.

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Re: Thoughts on Moving the UV to be part of "The Vault" community.
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2012, 11:37:32 PM »
I may no longer be an active member, and haven't since the time before the first board schism, but I'm fine with whatever you all decide.

Where we post isn't what makes us Unwashed Villagers, it's the insanity and high levels of radiation that we give off. That, and the utter lack of soap. I know it may not mean much coming from someone who is never around (by his own choice of having an incredibly active/busy life and general apathy towards forums,) but I hope the UV flourishes again.

I agree with Bluecr.....I can't say that with a straight face (or a sideways, or upside down face.) But just think BC, more victims er visitors to the vestibule!

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Re: Thoughts on Moving the UV to be part of "The Vault" community.
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2012, 02:22:19 AM »
This might not be a bad idea at all. What the Village really needs is three things:

1. More active members
2. An identity

As I see it, this suggestion helps with #1. Also, actually having an audience might bring back the village idiots in all of us.

Best case scenario: Village is revived with the influx of new members
Wost case scenario: We bring back this forum (I'll maintain it in a read only state in case of a move)

The only hinderance I see from a techincal standup is that we have to reach some sort of concensus.

Also an abacus.

I see no issues moving on.  I suppose the only things to iron out would be related to autonomy and visibility from the vault irself.

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Re: Thoughts on Moving the UV to be part of "The Vault" community.
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2012, 11:18:00 AM »
Has anyone ever been to the board in question? Is the software looking ok, and is the community active?

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Re: Thoughts on Moving the UV to be part of "The Vault" community.
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2012, 01:17:29 PM »
Has anyone ever been to the board in question? Is the software looking ok, and is the community active?

The Vault community is very active, but the site is mainly used for posting news and that is why we can offer it to you and still allow you to be autonomous. If there is any issue with software, Porter will undoubtedly be able to fix it and Ausir works for Curse, so he'd be able to if Porter can't. However, I must admit that I have seen people on the news site that I have never seen on the Vault, so people who are drawn to fora like yourselves. If anyone does have issues with the site layout, background or general design it can be changed. And don't pay too much attention to what is there now, we're going to overhaul it completely for you :D
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Re: Thoughts on Moving the UV to be part of "The Vault" community.
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2012, 04:52:54 PM »
Has anyone ever been to the board in question? Is the software looking ok, and is the community active?

The Vault community is very active, but the site is mainly used for posting news and that is why we can offer it to you and still allow you to be autonomous. If there is any issue with software, Porter will undoubtedly be able to fix it and Ausir works for Curse, so he'd be able to if Porter can't. However, I must admit that I have seen people on the news site that I have never seen on the Vault, so people who are drawn to fora like yourselves. If anyone does have issues with the site layout, background or general design it can be changed. And don't pay too much attention to what is there now, we're going to overhaul it completely for you :D

Being a CS major and all, I'm curious regarding some details on what it is you are offering in technical terms.

Are you offering to basically host our site (FTP and MySQL access), and we host our own forum software (e.g. SMF)
Are you offering us a sub-site on your Content Management System (if so, which system are you using) and a sub-forum on your community forums (if so, which forum software are you running, and where is your forum)

Or is it somewhere inbetween?

I'm thrown a bit off by your statement of "anyone does have issues with the site layout, background or general design it can be changed" - here, we are talking about the Unwashed Village subsite, right?

Also, any limitations in regards to advertisements? (Will our forums have a single banner ad, several banner ads, popups etc)?

Not to look a gift horse in the mouth or anything, I'm just trying to comprehend exactly how we will be hosted should we accept.

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Re: Thoughts on Moving the UV to be part of "The Vault" community.
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2012, 08:10:51 PM »
Being a CS major and all, I'm curious regarding some details on what it is you are offering in technical terms.

Are you offering to basically host our site (FTP and MySQL access), and we host our own forum software (e.g. SMF)
Are you offering us a sub-site on your Content Management System (if so, which system are you using) and a sub-forum on your community forums (if so, which forum software are you running, and where is your forum)

Or is it somewhere inbetween?

I'm thrown a bit off by your statement of "anyone does have issues with the site layout, background or general design it can be changed" - here, we are talking about the Unwashed Village subsite, right?

Also, any limitations in regards to advertisements? (Will our forums have a single banner ad, several banner ads, popups etc)?

Not to look a gift horse in the mouth or anything, I'm just trying to comprehend exactly how we will be hosted should we accept.
I will direct these questions to Porter, as to be honest, I know I wouldn't be able to satisfy someone who knows more about it than me. Those that I can answer:

*you should be able to try different layouts and things that Porter can set up on the sub-site, but you'll be jhappy to know that the banner and background on the Vault itself are up for discussion at the moment. If the result doesn't please them, Porter has made it easy to set up a personal CSS to have a banner and background of individual choice, like I have.
*Adverts, if it is the same as one the Vault and the Wasteland 2 wiki hosted by us, then no there won't be any for registered users. For unregistered users there was, if I remember correctly, a banner at the top and bottom of pages and that's it. If it bugs someone, it's easy to make an account though, and a bonus for signing-up.

The rest of the questions I will see what Porter, Ghost Avatar or Ausir say and copy and paste their reply here. Sorry I can't be of more help  :'(

EDIT: Actually, it seems that there aren't even ads for unregistered users
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Re: Thoughts on Moving the UV to be part of "The Vault" community.
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2012, 08:26:08 PM »
Just to keep you all up-to-date, I'm still waiting for a response from Porter. I understand he has a busy life, and work keeps him from the Vault for periods. However, this is unscheduled and normally he leaves notice of an absence. Sorry for the delay.
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Re: Thoughts on Moving the UV to be part of "The Vault" community.
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2012, 09:45:54 PM »
You understand that you are trying to herd cats, right?
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Re: Thoughts on Moving the UV to be part of "The Vault" community.
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2012, 11:24:08 PM »
You understand that you are trying to herd cats, right?

Based on the research of my cats, that means shake treats and they come running.


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