Unwashed Village
General Discussion => Unwashed Village => Topic started by: Petrarch on January 27, 2008, 11:05:08 PM
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So the new teaser trailer for the upcoming film has been revealed. Just let the site load and it'll stream down.
Teaser Trailer (http://www.paramount.com/startrek)
It does look fairly impressive, but tells very little about the film itself. I have to admit it's a bit weird seeing the Enterprise like that too. Though a big part of me does think the entire Trek franchise should be laid to rest for a few years before something new appears. I don't have very high hopes for the film personally, it's going to be extremely difficult after 42 years seeing the likes of Kirk and McCoy being played by someone else.
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...I don't have very high hopes for the film personally, it's going to be extremely difficult after 42 years seeing the likes of Kirk and McCoy being played by someone else.
I hear you there, but on the other hand, it was pretty difficult to see the original cast play themselves after the first few movies. Right around Star Trek 4 was when it started to get too unbelievable. I could buy 50-year-old Kirk still kicking ass and nailing green women in Wrath of Kahn, but when he was 60-ish, and fat, and the toupee didn't quite blend with his remaining hair as well as it used to, it just didn't seem as likely for him to be seducing marine biologists and blue shapeshifters; and when Spock, a member of a species that ages at about 1/6 the rate that humans do, looked like the most weathered cast member (a testament to the ravages of smoking, by the way), then it really became hard to watch.
I wonder if they could do some sort of "Gumping" or CGI to put the original cast, when they were in their prime, into a new movie. The surviving cast could provide their own voices, and they could get some impersonators for Scotty and McCoy. THAT is one I'd see.
Better yet, just do a feature length version of the cartoon series from the '70s.
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I think Quinto will make an awesome Spock. =)
(http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/QuintoSpock2.jpg)
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I'd rahter have another TNG movie than a repeat of the original series. I hate when they redo something with new actors. Besides, the original series wasn't half as good as TNG.
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I think Quinto will make an awesome Spock. =)
This is most illogical... I must... fix ... you.
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And his nose doesn't look very Spockian...
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Well I just saw it and it's... awesome.
Spoilers ahead.
Depending on how you look at it, it's not the Enterprise crew that we know. The timeline's been changed (Star trek LOVES time travel) so while they're still Kirk, Spock, and all the rest their history is different.
Kirk loses his father, Spock's mother dies, Vulcan is destroyed, etc. So this history will never have certain stories happen. Spock's mother will never be on the ship to Babel, Kirk will never have his father at his graduation, the crew will not journey to Vulcan after retrieving Spock from the Genesis Planet, etc.
So if you can get around the fact that it's not the 'old' crew and realize that you'll never see Shatner and the rest in a regular Star Trek movie, it becomes more fun.
Pros
Great Action.
Talented actors all around. Quinto is AWESOME as Spock. Urban is awesome McCoy.
Nearly everyone got a chance to shine. Scotty had a bit less time but still great.
Fan service! From throw away lines to insider jokes, it was there. Can we all guess what happens to the crewmember in red?
Cons
Vulcan is destroyed. I like Vulcans.
Lens flares. Good golly they love lens flares. It's like someone just discovering a photoshop filter. Lens flares constantly though the movie.
Go see it in IMAX if you can.
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Totally conflicted about this one.
First of all, in its own right, it was a fantastic movie. As previously mentioned, Quinto was brilliant and the rest of the cast shined also.
However, the "oh, by the way, all the other star trek series and movies never actually happened" really cheesed me. I know they had to do something about the fact that in some areas current technology actually exceeds that displayed in TOS, but I find it difficult to suspend my disbelief that a single starship being destroyed 25 years ago could change the timeline so drastically.
Anyway, as I say, a good movie on its own and definitely worth seeing. It'll just take some time for me to adjust to the new timeline.
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However, the "oh, by the way, all the other star trek series and movies never actually happened" really cheesed me. I know they had to do something about the fact that in some areas current technology actually exceeds that displayed in TOS, but I find it difficult to suspend my disbelief that a single starship being destroyed 25 years ago could change the timeline so drastically.
Right now it's being debated. It's either:
A changed timeline
or
A alternate timeline seperate from the original timeline. eg. A timeline that would have ended exactly like 'our' timeline if Nero didn't show up.
For the technology...
(This one's a bit of a stretch)
During the battle with Kirk's dad, portions of Nero's ship were found. Just enough was found (and reversed engineered) to make the Enterprise look different.
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However, the "oh, by the way, all the other star trek series and movies never actually happened" really cheesed me. I know they had to do something about the fact that in some areas current technology actually exceeds that displayed in TOS, but I find it difficult to suspend my disbelief that a single starship being destroyed 25 years ago could change the timeline so drastically.
Butterfly Effect
Right now it's being debated. It's either:
A changed timeline
or
A alternate timeline seperate from the original timeline. eg. A timeline that would have ended exactly like 'our' timeline if Nero didn't show up.
The official response is that it's a divergent timeline. I.E. Like Donnie Darko, except the continued existence of the divergent timeline isn't going to end the existence of both. It's just a way to make a Star Trek movie that is fresh and exciting and not bogged down by 40+ years of continuity and at the same time doesn't negate everything Star Trek except for Enterprise and portions of First Contact. Basically, it's like what Marvel did with their Ultimate line. So all the Trekkies out there can relax. The original crew, the Next Generation crew, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise are all still in continuity in the original timeline.
I think they did it this way so they didn't get a bunch of convoluted angry letters from Trekkies about how Scotty's hairstyle conflicts with Official Star Trek Paperback #86: The Obsidian Parallax Factor (Copyright, 1972).
Also, in the divergent timeline, Uhura's hot!
Doomsie, any jokes about Sulu? Did that guy from Harold and Kumar do "George Takei Voice"TM through the whole thing?
Now what they really need to do is make a movie of that book where the Next Generation crew teams up with the X Men.
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Doomsie, any jokes about Sulu? Did that guy from Harold and Kumar do "George Takei Voice"TM through the whole thing?
The people that really sounded close to their counterparts were Bones, Scotty, and Chekov. Chekov had the thickest access of all. Spock had that calm precision to his voice though...
So no... "Oh MY!" from Sulu.
He did get to use his fencing skills. =)
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The people that really sounded close to their counterparts were Bones...
Yeah, I hear Karl Urban is eerily good as Dr. McCoy, like to the point that it's scaring some people. I'm convinced I'm living in some sort of whacky comic universe now, where I can honestly say that the guy from Doom and Pathfinder is good at something.
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Hrm.. gotta say it was pretty good.
Im kind of conflicted on if I want to see more done with this or not. I can accept the whole 'different timeline' deal especially since it does avoid the whole issue with matching everyhing up..
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The people that really sounded close to their counterparts were Bones...
Yeah, I hear Karl Urban is eerily good as Dr. McCoy, like to the point that it's scaring some people. I'm convinced I'm living in some sort of whacky comic universe now, where I can honestly say that the guy from Doom and Pathfinder is good at something.
Not really fair. He was awesome in the LOTR trilogy.
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The people that really sounded close to their counterparts were Bones...
Yeah, I hear Karl Urban is eerily good as Dr. McCoy, like to the point that it's scaring some people. I'm convinced I'm living in some sort of whacky comic universe now, where I can honestly say that the guy from Doom and Pathfinder is good at something.
Not really fair. He was awesome in the LOTR trilogy.
And the Bourne movies.
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I saw it. If I wanted to watch Starship Troopers, I'd watch Starship Troopers. I didn't want to watch that; I wanted to watch Star Trek, but they gave me Starship Troopers.
For starters, they tried way to hard to make society resemble 21st century earth. Now I ask you, how many similarities are there between any facet of life in America today, and life in America in 1809? So why does society in 23rd century act exactly like modern society?
It's already been established that there is no currency on earth in Kirk's time (Star Trek IV), so basically that whole bar scene is pretty moot.
And the product placement was too blatant. I get why they do it, but when you make it OBVIOUS that's what you're doing, it fails miserably and just makes me roll my eyes. "Ensign! Those aren't Starfleet regulation Nikes; now go enjoy a SPACE Coca Cola!"
Okay, it's not THAT obvious, but if you ask me what I remember about the film, it's that Chevrolet makes some kick-ass cars, Nokia makes cellphones, Budweiser makes crappy beer, and at some point there's something about the Enterprise. The ultimate eye-roll moment was when Uhura ordered something called Budweiser Classic. Budweiser is the world's crummiest beer. Somehow, I doubt that it will have a legacy lasting 200 years from now, nor will it's original recipe be considered "classic" any more than the Black Death is considered classic.
Still, Bug-Eyed Anime nurse at the beginning was kind of cute looking.
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Hmm... Haven't seen it yet, but Star Trek posing as Starship Troopers...? Mmm. I'll buy that for a dollar... I actually brought a girlfriend at the time to see Starship Troopers. We didn't marry.
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saw it, enjoyed it.
sometimes you gotta take these movies as what they are, and not look for the little annoying things. If I looked for the little annoying things in every movie, I'd never find one I liked.
....cept maybe the princess bride. Which is perfect in every little way. :D
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Went to see it, and it was actually jolly good fun.
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sometimes you gotta take these movies as what they are, and not look for the little annoying things. If I looked for the little annoying things in every movie, I'd never find one I liked.
I agree with you there, (and about Princess Bride :D), but these were NOT "little things".
I can't overlook Kirk using his Chevy Stingray'sTM built-in Nokia HUDTM especially because the Nokia logo start-up screen was roughly 3/4 the size of the theater screen! There aren't enough hot, green women in the Alpha Quadrant, Neutral Zone, and beyond the Great Barrier to make me feel okay about that! (However, just one hot, green woman would be nice change of pace in Loveshack's Love LifeTM, so if you know one, send her my way.) But I digress, I realize that Star Trek is a commercial entity in and of itself, but the society depicted within the franchise is shown have grown beyond these things, and furthermore those alien races on that show that haven't yet developed to that point, (the ferengis, various space pirates), are played for comic relief at best and at worst as contemptible villains. So to me, it wrecks the vibe of the franchise to have blatant product placement.
I know that's how Hollywood makes money, but it doesn't feel natural in a Star Trek movie! If it makes sense for a character to grab a pair of shoes that just happen to be Nikes, or be drinking a soda that just happens to be a Coke, fine, but when the movie is really obvious about it, it's not effective marketing, it just inspires a collective ::) from the audience. (See the infamous "Converse, vintage 2004" scene in I, Robot.) Not to mention, it takes the viewers completely out of the story like Chewbacca's Tarzan yell and a flying R2-D2 did for me with the Star Wars movies. They are essentially ripping the viewer out of the world they paid good money to briefly inhabit, and plunking them back into a dark theater with the jerk who won't stop coughing, the idiot newlyweds who brought their shrieking mutant child to the theater with them, and the violent gangbanger who won't quit yelling advice to the characters onscreen. Not only do the ad companies try to make you buy products you don't want or need to condescendingly transparent methods, but they also vicariously rob you of your movie going experience and therefore rob you of the eight or ten dollars you paid to get into the movie in the first place!
I can't speak for the rest of the movie-going public, but when I see something so blatantly obvious shoehorned into a film, I am personally insulted that the advertising industry thinks so little of me as a consumer that they honestly expect me to be swayed by such thoughtless, blatant, and poorly-contrived advertising. It makes me want to go out of my way to not buy their products because I don't want to give money to people who have essentially called me a slack-jawed hick by way of the methods they use to try to entice me. I really feel bad for anyone who watched that movie and sincerely thought to themselves, "I want that there tell-O-phone like that one that there Cap'n Kirk feller' used! H'yuk!"
It was like the THX sound system promo kicked on in the middle of the film, but it wasn't THX; it was Nokia!
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The Nokia placement seemed REALLY out of place. I was fine with the other placements. I didn't even notice the beer.
Yes... I Robot was horrible with the product placements.
Cut and pasted.
“Converse, vintage 2004.” Never before has one line sunk a movie so fast. The first ten minutes of Alex Proyas’ I, Robot contains more examples of product placement than any other film I’ve seen, and there are none more odious than the completely unnecessary scene in which Will Smith reveals he wears Chucks. How about you go fight some robots and stop trying to sell me trainers? Smith drives around town in an Audi (made exclusively for the movie, fact fans), listens to his music on a JVC CD player, has his mail delivered by Tom Hank’s FedEx and generally acts like a walking, talking billboard. I can barely remember anything from the movie aside from the heinous product placement; the experience was equivalent to bending over and getting roughly bummed by Mr. Corporation, and being charged £7 for the privilege. It’s so damn shameless in plugging its wares it defies belief, and in doing so, wastes the potential for a cracking little film; if it hadn’t spent its running time hawking shiny shit like a Cockney market trader, it might have figured out it was ruining one of the best sci-fi novels of all time. While the future displayed in I, Robot is clearly one grounded in fantasy, the future the film itself suggests is one of corporate greed and shameless peddling, and whether you’re wearing Vintage Converse trainers or not, it looks like there’ll be no escaping it.
But it could be worse...
(http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/5360/94878550.jpg) (http://img188.imageshack.us/my.php?image=94878550.jpg)
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Agreed. The product placement is nowadays fairly ridiculous. Never would have thought that Wayne's World would become a reality... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiLtZBnb7LA&feature=related)
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But it could be worse...
True, but at least there, it made sense for there to be a bunch of billboards around them, and the advertising was in the background, unobtrusive, and silent AS IT SHOULD BE.
If JJ Abrams and the studio execs were allowed to re-cut this movie, the Thing would have looked up and said, "Hey, I don't know about you guys, but I sure am thirsty from chasing Victor around, let's go grab a delicious, ice-cold Pepsi!"
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Just saw it, and loved it. I thought it was actually quite clever how they managed to dump all the old Star Trek baggage to a black hole, because let's face it, some of the baggage (like mr. Spock in his cool rocket boots catching unsafely rock-climbing Kirk at the very last minute) reeked pretty bad at this point... I thought the casting was brilliant, and the actors took just enough, but not too much of the old mannerisms and ran with it. Then again, when Zachary Quinto and Leonard Nimoy had their scene together, there wasn't any doubt in my mind which one of them was the "real" Spock. I suppose, if they make any more of these, this distinction will eventually get muddled. Heh. The Nokia product placement was pretty weak, but that was the only one I noticed.
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I didn't even notice the Nokia add at all, or at least my mind has no memory stored of it 'annoying me' in it's placement. I went with 5 other people and have since questioned them about it, none of them were bothered by it either. What bugged me more in that situation was how ugly that kid was. Could that have cast an uglier child at all?
As for a PS about the casting - Karl Urban (Bones) is yummmmy. :D
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Hmm. I'm not sure about the ugly, but I didn't like that kid. He didn't look like a Shatner. :D
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As for a PS about the casting - Karl Urban (Bones) is yummmmy. :D
You've lost all street cred when it comes to men yummyness appraisal ever since you said the Silver Surfer was hot. Plus, it's Doctor Freakin' McCoy! That man has no love life.
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Hmm. I'm not sure about the ugly, but I didn't like that kid. He didn't look like a Shatner. :D
Doomsie, here's your cue to photoshop a Shatner toupee on that kid!
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As for a PS about the casting - Karl Urban (Bones) is yummmmy. :D
You've lost all street cred when it comes to men yummyness appraisal ever since you said the Silver Surfer was hot. Plus, it's Doctor Freakin' McCoy! That man has no love life.
Silver Surfer = perfect male body; with the added bonus of not having that creepy dangly thing between the legs.
McCoy = handsome, sarcastic and, dammit, a doctor! What's not to like? :D
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Silver Surfer = perfect male body; with the added bonus of not having that creepy dangly thing between the legs.
It has the Mr. Potatohead quality about it. Like Evolution, God, Odin, etc created man and went: "It needs something... I just stick this there." BLOP!
Kinda like when your neighbor adds a tool shed and doesn't factor in the aesthetics. Yeah it's functional but it's a eyesore.
=P
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Silver Surfer = perfect male body; with the added bonus of not having that creepy dangly thing between the legs.
That certainly would have made for a very different comic.
It has the Mr. Potatohead quality about it. Like Evolution, God, Odin, etc created man and went: "It needs something... I just stick this there." BLOP!
Kinda like when your neighbor adds a tool shed and doesn't factor in the aesthetics. Yeah it's functional but it's a eyesore.
I learn more about the way women think from this board than anywhere else. Like how you all hate sex.
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I like sex, I just think the penis looks odd.
*nods*
:)
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I just think the penis looks odd.
The leading reason that I will never be gay and why I can't enjoy guy on girl porn.
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I can't speak for the rest of the movie-going public, but when I see something so blatantly obvious shoehorned into a film, I am personally insulted that the advertising industry thinks so little of me as a consumer that they honestly expect me to be swayed by such thoughtless, blatant, and poorly-contrived advertising. It makes me want to go out of my way to not buy their products because I don't want to give money to people who have essentially called me a slack-jawed hick by way of the methods they use to try to entice me. I really feel bad for anyone who watched that movie and sincerely thought to themselves, "I want that there tell-O-phone like that one that there Cap'n Kirk feller' used! H'yuk!"
Derail here, but you don't understand advertising/marketing at all.
Sorry, but the "do they really think I'll be swayed??" argument is a big pet peeve of mine. As if it were really that simplistic.
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I learn more about the way women think from this board than anywhere else. Like how you all hate sex.
Oh that's not it at all. We like sex but IT looks like it was designed after the fact. It doesn't have a good feng shui feel to it.
Kinda like mismatched furniture. Sure the Plaid Laz-E-Boy is comfy but it looks odd in the middle of the room.
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I like sex
In my experience, most women do. 8)
gotta like the UV wimmens posting that they like sex :devilish: :devilish: :devilish:
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Oh that's not it at all. We like sex but IT looks like it was designed after the fact. It doesn't have a good feng shui feel to it.
Kinda like mismatched furniture. Sure the Plaid Laz-E-Boy is comfy but it looks odd in the middle of the room.
That's why you buy a slipcover for it. (Preferably one that glows in the dark!) ;)
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Finally saw this today (gotta love a theater to yourself). Loved it.
Not going to get into the product placement (except to say I'd MUCH rather see them order a name brand beer than say "gimme a beer" - as if there's only one kind - which is entirely unrealistic.)
But anyway, I thought it was great the way they played with the future, and can now move forward unimpeded, while still respecting what "was" (or in this case, "will be"). I wasn't bothered by the more "military" and "action" aspect (I'm assuming that's what LS meant by the Starship Troopers comparison). Star Trek has been moving in that direction a looong time (for example, "military rank" played a MUCH bigger part in TNG than it did in TOS - and DS9 definitely took Trek "action" to a new level in the later seasons).
At first, the Uhura/Spock thing bugged me some, but then I realize by the end that it clearly put the exclamation point on the "same, but different" aspect they were going for. Nicely done.
Easily the best Trek movie since Kahn.