Unwashed Village
General Discussion => Unwashed Village => Topic started by: Hoopy Frood on May 28, 2012, 04:13:02 PM
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In this post: http://unwashed.eu/forum/index.php?topic=2363.msg20598#msg20598 (http://unwashed.eu/forum/index.php?topic=2363.msg20598#msg20598) Guardian has invited us to join the Vault (one of the fallout wiki communities, which I have consulted on occasion during FO3 and FNV, incidentally). This thread is for the community at large to discuss their thoughts and opinions on us moving. The admins will also be discussing here and in the admin forum.
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I'll majorly stay out of the conversation because I don't want to seem pushy or be a nuisance. I will, however, read it, and if someone directs a question at me, I will answer it as soon as - and as best as - I can. I can also be reached by e-mail or PM, although I check these threads more regularly than my e-mail anyhow.
Some helpful links for people who have not heard of the Vault.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vault_(wiki)
http://www.falloutwiki.com/Fallout_Wiki
My user page, because... Why not?
http://www.falloutwiki.com/User:GuardianOfTheWastes
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I'm finding that the incredible organization, informative topics, and huge degree of sophistication in "The Vault" to be highly disturbing.
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If you think about it, these fora are actually very well organised too... ::)
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Interesting suggestion...
Ive just recently returned to the Village after a long hiatus, and have to say that it would make me happy to see the place florish again, as some of my best loved moments in the past had happened here, and would love to be able to see it busy and generally awesome as it was before.
For what its worth, from little ol' me: I say give it a chance. This of course comes from a lurking/lost/forgotten shlub like me :( But I loved this place and still do. and thats all I can say.
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This might not be a bad idea at all. What the Village really needs is three things:
1. More active members
2. An identity
As I see it, this suggestion helps with #1. Also, actually having an audience might bring back the village idiots in all of us.
Best case scenario: Village is revived with the influx of new members
Wost case scenario: We bring back this forum (I'll maintain it in a read only state in case of a move)
The only hinderance I see from a techincal standup is that we have to reach some sort of concensus.
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I may no longer be an active member, and haven't since the time before the first board schism, but I'm fine with whatever you all decide.
Where we post isn't what makes us Unwashed Villagers, it's the insanity and high levels of radiation that we give off. That, and the utter lack of soap. I know it may not mean much coming from someone who is never around (by his own choice of having an incredibly active/busy life and general apathy towards forums,) but I hope the UV flourishes again.
I agree with Bluecr.....I can't say that with a straight face (or a sideways, or upside down face.) But just think BC, more victims er visitors to the vestibule!
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This might not be a bad idea at all. What the Village really needs is three things:
1. More active members
2. An identity
As I see it, this suggestion helps with #1. Also, actually having an audience might bring back the village idiots in all of us.
Best case scenario: Village is revived with the influx of new members
Wost case scenario: We bring back this forum (I'll maintain it in a read only state in case of a move)
The only hinderance I see from a techincal standup is that we have to reach some sort of concensus.
Also an abacus.
I see no issues moving on. I suppose the only things to iron out would be related to autonomy and visibility from the vault irself.
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Has anyone ever been to the board in question? Is the software looking ok, and is the community active?
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Has anyone ever been to the board in question? Is the software looking ok, and is the community active?
The Vault community is very active, but the site is mainly used for posting news and that is why we can offer it to you and still allow you to be autonomous. If there is any issue with software, Porter will undoubtedly be able to fix it and Ausir works for Curse, so he'd be able to if Porter can't. However, I must admit that I have seen people on the news site that I have never seen on the Vault, so people who are drawn to fora like yourselves. If anyone does have issues with the site layout, background or general design it can be changed. And don't pay too much attention to what is there now, we're going to overhaul it completely for you :D
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Has anyone ever been to the board in question? Is the software looking ok, and is the community active?
The Vault community is very active, but the site is mainly used for posting news and that is why we can offer it to you and still allow you to be autonomous. If there is any issue with software, Porter will undoubtedly be able to fix it and Ausir works for Curse, so he'd be able to if Porter can't. However, I must admit that I have seen people on the news site that I have never seen on the Vault, so people who are drawn to fora like yourselves. If anyone does have issues with the site layout, background or general design it can be changed. And don't pay too much attention to what is there now, we're going to overhaul it completely for you :D
Being a CS major and all, I'm curious regarding some details on what it is you are offering in technical terms.
Are you offering to basically host our site (FTP and MySQL access), and we host our own forum software (e.g. SMF)
Are you offering us a sub-site on your Content Management System (if so, which system are you using) and a sub-forum on your community forums (if so, which forum software are you running, and where is your forum)
Or is it somewhere inbetween?
I'm thrown a bit off by your statement of "anyone does have issues with the site layout, background or general design it can be changed" - here, we are talking about the Unwashed Village subsite, right?
Also, any limitations in regards to advertisements? (Will our forums have a single banner ad, several banner ads, popups etc)?
Not to look a gift horse in the mouth or anything, I'm just trying to comprehend exactly how we will be hosted should we accept.
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Being a CS major and all, I'm curious regarding some details on what it is you are offering in technical terms.
Are you offering to basically host our site (FTP and MySQL access), and we host our own forum software (e.g. SMF)
Are you offering us a sub-site on your Content Management System (if so, which system are you using) and a sub-forum on your community forums (if so, which forum software are you running, and where is your forum)
Or is it somewhere inbetween?
I'm thrown a bit off by your statement of "anyone does have issues with the site layout, background or general design it can be changed" - here, we are talking about the Unwashed Village subsite, right?
Also, any limitations in regards to advertisements? (Will our forums have a single banner ad, several banner ads, popups etc)?
Not to look a gift horse in the mouth or anything, I'm just trying to comprehend exactly how we will be hosted should we accept.
I will direct these questions to Porter, as to be honest, I know I wouldn't be able to satisfy someone who knows more about it than me. Those that I can answer:
*you should be able to try different layouts and things that Porter can set up on the sub-site, but you'll be jhappy to know that the banner and background on the Vault itself are up for discussion at the moment. If the result doesn't please them, Porter has made it easy to set up a personal CSS to have a banner and background of individual choice, like I have.
*Adverts, if it is the same as one the Vault and the Wasteland 2 wiki hosted by us, then no there won't be any for registered users. For unregistered users there was, if I remember correctly, a banner at the top and bottom of pages and that's it. If it bugs someone, it's easy to make an account though, and a bonus for signing-up.
The rest of the questions I will see what Porter, Ghost Avatar or Ausir say and copy and paste their reply here. Sorry I can't be of more help :'(
EDIT: Actually, it seems that there aren't even ads for unregistered users
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Just to keep you all up-to-date, I'm still waiting for a response from Porter. I understand he has a busy life, and work keeps him from the Vault for periods. However, this is unscheduled and normally he leaves notice of an absence. Sorry for the delay.
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You understand that you are trying to herd cats, right?
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You understand that you are trying to herd cats, right?
Based on the research of my cats, that means shake treats and they come running.
Move the bar and we'll there in a minute. First round on the Guardian?
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You understand that you are trying to herd cats, right?
Yes, it seems that way! But I knew this is what it'd be like. So are you against it then? I don't know what you admins have been discussing, but I'd really like for you to come over. After all, it's not a huge change, just a change in location more than anything else. What would be the appropriate Catnip to entice you all to be more direct? ;)
Move the bar and we'll there in a minute. First round on the Guardian?
'The Guardian'... See, now I like that. Better than just plain ol' Guardian. Makes me seem, special. ;D
And of course I'll buy the first round
*turns away*
Now where did I put that stolen credit card... Damn, seems there is no other option.
*turns back*
You guys grab a seat, I'll be back in a minute...
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I think what Bluecross means is "look a butterfly.... hmmm tasty!"
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First round on the Guardian?
I tend to enjoy my drinks either in a glass, or a female companion.
Sorry Guardian!
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'The Guardian'... See, now I like that. Better than just plain ol' Guardian. Makes me seem, special. ;D
Actually it makes you sound like a news paper :D
(https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-TViCdeN4yvXNZIDjsbs0faRu_WjVsMLFQNzEpvE-0oQg5zPVDw)
Or a baby Griffon...
(https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRDNNXgJT-AkTT-ajtDzWkt8zVGO0ueZVPj576r-nR41ADCC3bM)
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Oh yeah, that's a very good point. Damn, just when I was moving up in the world...
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Okay, I've had a cht with Porter, and it seems that the questions are ones that we cannot know the answer to unless we begin to move forward. It's starting to get really difficult to see where this is going and people's views on it, and that means that it is difficult to answer the questions that are being directed at me. We have now got another option to present though, and that is to give you a more 'wiki' like space with the 'falloutwiki.com' domain. This has the advantages of
*More control, especially as Porter has said that what we can do with the community.falloutwiki site is actually very limited, especially as he is still not an admin there.
*The ability to add pages, which means you could write down the lore of this place and the people in it, as well as whatever else you wanted. You could even make it so that only admins could edit pages to avoid vandals.
*You could, if it's okay with Porter and I've yet to ask him, use the forum software (if you will) that he designed and ensure the wiki is centred on that.
I'm unsure of if we will be able to import this site, so it might be a case of starting anew whilst linking to here. We will be able to tell that though once we have some concrete progression and I start to talk to Curse - it's too soon for that now.
We also could give you a board on the Vault itself, which means that you would be on the site directly, but as there are already forums there, it may get lost in the mix, something we don't want.
There are some more options for you, but I would ask people to start considering more seriously - I know that sounds rude and it is asking for you to change the nature if the site for a time, but at the moment I'm getting the impression that people are against it and so they are making jokes.
I'll be staying anyway, but I hope you start to consider this offer more seriously.
EDIT: Porter tells me that it is unlikely that Curse will give us a second community site, and that it is only slow as it is going unused. He also said, to your benefit, that it is not a wiki, but rather a seperate forum. The software is this (he found it): http://www.invisionpower.com/products/board/ Lastly, it would be down to Curse not Porter to clear up the site and 'convert' it if you will, but that's not going to be an issue once you have decided what you want to do. The community site is therefore, again, the best option so I have retracted my earlier statements to the contrary. Unless you wanted a wiki...
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Will we still have the easy-to-remember unwashed.eu and link from there, or am I going to have to remember something new?
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What do you mean sorry? I will endevour to have the new address as unwashed.falloutwiki.com or even uv.falloutwiki.com. Is that what you mean? And yes, we'll definitely have a link back if we don't import the forum. There'd be no need to close this site, and we could definitely put the front page here as the front page for there.
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I think it's important for you to remember that joking is a core part of being a UV. Find a serious post on the UV and it's most likely a scam :P (Or Bluecross is trying to sweet talk someone again.....yeck.)
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There are some more options for you, but I would ask people to start considering more seriously - I know that sounds rude and it is asking for you to change the nature if the site for a time, but at the moment I'm getting the impression that people are against it and so they are making jokes.
I'm pretty sure we are taking the offer seriously. I don't believe people are really against it but then again, I'm not sure people are really for it either. The general apathy and malaise that seems to now be so much a part of the Village is not an insignificant obstacle.
The strong points (as I see them) is a way to archive and revisit the lore and history (and vestibule, hey, why not?) in a format that makes all of that more easily accessible. But at the same time, it somewhat reinforces the 'Good Old Days' syndrome, and it's handmaiden, the 'Will Never Happen Again' corollary.
If it was put to a vote (I'm not convinced that is the proper way to do it, but perhaps it is), I really don't know how I would vote. I would say to myself "but we would lose all we currently have!', and I would answer 'and that wouldn't be much, would it?".
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For whats its worth, I see this as a chance to embrace what the UV IS, while not getting caught up on what it WAS... those that are left come back here for a reason, and those who havent yet returned (but more then likely will) come here because this is the great UNWASHED VILLAGE!
A place where all the batshit insanity in the wastes (or the net) can come out and PLAY! But not the stupid kind of play, the kind that makes you think, makes you wonder... MAKES you want to converse about it or hell, just watch it unfold. There is NO other group out there like this one and there WILL not be another like it.....
the UV is LEGENDARY. When I orginally came here (as in back in "my" day, not "now") I didnt belive it could exist! in it, Id met people id only HEARD of, people who happened to be In one of my favorite games of all time! (The great spammer hunt, how I wish Id have been around for that, but it was history before I came along)
But I found out that it was more then that. It was a group of people who were truly different, yet could discuss myriad things, debate opposing issues, show art, critique art, write stories, make amazing things with photoshop, talk about tasty drinks, talk philosphy and actually CARED for one another.... even though they were all different.
And in many many cases never even met face to face! THIS was the community on the net that I came to call home, and to this day I regret losing touch like I did. I missed it, and obviously missed a great deal.... but I came back. And I truly want to see this place thrive again.
Dont look at this as losing what we have, or never being able to go back to what was.... because you cant go back to the way things were, but you sure as hell can move forward, and cherish the memories gained.... because the "Good ol' days" are just days you've had, why not collect more?
holy crap that was longer then intended.... I apologize for the length of this post, but I feel I needed to say this. I loved this place and still DO love this place.
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I think what is at the core of the village is the largely unfettered communication. That's what made the village great. Any new incarnation of the village would need to keep that intact. I don't think a wiki-type space is going to have that capability. Even this incarnation is slightly less accessable than what we used to have (though that's largely through necessity, damn spambots) but from what I understand of the wiki format is that everything is open to alteration - far too much drama potential in that for my liking.
Basically what I'm saying is that we should keep the message board format.
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So what I've got so far is that:
*You want to keep/move what is here over to any new site
*You want it to be a message board, not a wiki
*Protection from evil-spam-bots
Am I missing something? And what do you mean about "less accessable than what we used to have"? I could look into something similar if you direct me towards it.
If the conversation keeps like this for a bit, I'll be presenting to Curse in no time to look for solutions ;D
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The message board we were on when I joined the village was very simple - there weren't even passwords. It was really just a slightly more advanced guestbook, I guess. Back in the days before people got the idea they could alter their website's standing on google by making sure their url was linked on every possible message board.
The freedom of that system helped a lot to make the village the creative outlet that it was for so many people, though.
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n/t
:)
Seriously we've moved quite a few times at this point, I know that we always manage to track it down somehow when we dissapear but I think that we've lost some people in the move sometimes.
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I'm thinking the bungee card is too long and too limp.
(Present company excepted, of course)
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I'm thinking the bungee card is too long and too limp.
(Present company excepted, of course)
Now I'm just plain lost XD
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Which begs the question, would anyone get it?
(I'm notnecessarly opposed, just severalshots and a ajager bom in)
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I'm thinking the bungee card is too long and too limp.
(Present company excepted, of course)
Now I'm just plain lost XD
The Bungee Cord is what brings Villagers back, and almost always seems to work, although it can take a VEEEERRRRRY long time in some case. My speculation is that perhaps it has been stretched a bitch too far. As to the 'limp', well... never mind.
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But we have to try, right? If we are OUT there, people are more likely to be able to find us again...All we can do is try.
I do agree, we need a message board format, most definitly
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Which begs the question, would anyone get it?
(I'm notnecessarly opposed, just severalshots and a ajager bom in)
Why not whisky or some nice bourbon? everyone always wants jaeger :(
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Why not whisky or some nice bourbon? everyone always wants jaeger :(
Indeed. Scotch or bust! Or perhaps both...
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I started the ay with geand marnie (and still cant spell it) then ended on congiac. That good enough?
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I started the ay with geand marnie (and still cant spell it) then ended on congiac. That good enough?
It seemed good enough to completely fuck up your spelling, so that has to be some kind of win. :)
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I started the ay with geand marnie (and still cant spell it) then ended on congiac. That good enough?
Sounds like it.... :laugh: atleast you had fun, it seems!
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I think that merging with The Vault would be very good for the village. Although i'm not sure that I would be making the move myself.
At the risk of being a debby downer, Its become apparent that these days BBs are all but dead. As I've seen a handful of boards (including the UV) die at the hands of facebook in the last few years. Although I still encourage the merger.
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I think that merging with The Vault would be very good for the village. Although i'm not sure that I would be making the move myself.
At the risk of being a debby downer, Its become apparent that these days BBs are all but dead. As I've seen a handful of boards (including the UV) die at the hands of facebook in the last few years. Although I still encourage the merger.
Wait...
*tries to deal with brain spasms unsuccessfully...*
It would be 'good' but you wouldn't be moving, right?
And you're encouraging the merger at the risk of of death, right?
And who is Debby Downer? Is she hawt?
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And who is Debby Downer? Is she hawt?
You tell me... (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/Debbie_Downer.PNG)
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its like some tiny creature is trying to drag her face INTO HER MOUTH FROM THE CORNER.... AHHHHHHH!
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I think that merging with The Vault would be very good for the village. Although i'm not sure that I would be making the move myself.
At the risk of being a debby downer, Its become apparent that these days BBs are all but dead. As I've seen a handful of boards (including the UV) die at the hands of facebook in the last few years. Although I still encourage the merger.
Why would you not make the transition with the UV? If there's one thing I don't want, it's to make people leave.
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Don't worry it's a UV tradition to run for the hills at the slightest sign of a dust cloud, eventually people return. Usually with a brass band.
It's a bit like Hotel California people leave all the time but they never truly check out, we still have Turjans stuff here buried under Petrarchs and Headbytes chair keeps finding a way to the top of the pile regardless of how deeply we put the ashes.
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Headbytes chair keeps finding a way to the top of the pile regardless of how deeply we put the ashes.
That's cause Tink still has it :P
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Any word on this situation?
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We're waiting for someone to take down the bug zappers, don't want to singe tink's wings.
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Would it help get this moving along if I talked to Curse and discussed options a little further (moving it from theory) or would you rather draw the line as 'nice idea, but no thanks'? How's the admin discussion going?
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Would it help get this moving along if I talked to Curse and discussed options a little further (moving it from theory) or would you rather draw the line as 'nice idea, but no thanks'? How's the admin discussion going?
Welcome to the 'real' Village. :)
We mean no harm but chaos follows in our wake.
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Would it help get this moving along if I talked to Curse and discussed options a little further (moving it from theory) or would you rather draw the line as 'nice idea, but no thanks'? How's the admin discussion going?
The main concern among the admins seems to be about possibly losing our identity and how much boost in traffic we'll actually get.
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I suppose it depends on how visible we are from the wiki and if we can be worked in to the wiki entries and general fallout history. The other thing we need to ask is what a loss of identity actually means; being part of a larger Fallout related entity may rejuvenate some of the original character of the unwashed village, whether a step back is entirely positive is something we can debate.
The other thing we need to ask is what kind of identity we will lose, we've not been able to invest the time in creating an identity since moving to this board and I feel that we're slipping into an apathetic decline, so is that really a great loss?
The identity of the village is largely tied up in the people who inhabit it and the relationship between them. Bonds have been formed and broken so often and people have drifted apart in a number of ways so perhaps the incidental new villagers we'll gain in the vault will serve to establish new bonds and create a buzz that'll draw some of our members back to us.
How much hassle would it be to weave our history into the vault? Perhaps even as a first step, does anybody have a collection of member created stories we could submit? Turjan seems to have gone AWOL and he had a large collection of these as far as I remember.
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apathetic decline
*nods*
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I suppose it depends on how visible we are from the wiki and if we can be worked in to the wiki entries and general fallout history. The other thing we need to ask is what a loss of identity actually means; being part of a larger Fallout related entity may rejuvenate some of the original character of the unwashed village, whether a step back is entirely positive is something we can debate.
The other thing we need to ask is what kind of identity we will lose, we've not been able to invest the time in creating an identity since moving to this board and I feel that we're slipping into an apathetic decline, so is that really a great loss?
The identity of the village is largely tied up in the people who inhabit it and the relationship between them. Bonds have been formed and broken so often and people have drifted apart in a number of ways so perhaps the incidental new villagers we'll gain in the vault will serve to establish new bonds and create a buzz that'll draw some of our members back to us.
How much hassle would it be to weave our history into the vault? Perhaps even as a first step, does anybody have a collection of member created stories we could submit? Turjan seems to have gone AWOL and he had a large collection of these as far as I remember.
I'm afraid I must admit that the Vault is an encyclopaedia, and as such the admin team wouldn't even consider letting you add stories nor to weave stories into the main space, but there is nothing stopping you adding them to your own userspaces and linking from the message boards to there. Alternatively, we could add an 'advert' for the UV somewhere on each page I'm sure. Of course, it is possible for you to, as previously suggested, set up a wiki and that would solve the issue of stories and their visibility.
As for the rest of it, I agree with your hints. No matter the discussion about losing identity, the majority of it is being lost already, and those who come in search of the UV thanks to FO2 are finding a husk of what it once was, with the people here seeking days they can't ever get back, hence a steady decline. I believe you are right and that an injection of fresh blood would lively up the place. Of course, it is possible for you to, as previously suggested, set up a wiki and that would solve the issue of stories and their visibility.
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And having the additional visibility from being connected to the wiki would likely help inject fresh blood into the place, something that would go a long way toward reviving the community.
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I honestly think it would, and that's why I came up with the idea. Would you guys like me to do anything regarding contacting Curse then? I think it's the next logical step in helping make a decision if nothing else.
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Do it and be done with it. I'll transition if we go soon, but im not going to stick around much longer.
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Yes, talk to Curse.
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Do it and be done with it. I'll transition if we go soon, but im not going to stick around much longer.
Okay, I'll try and do it as fast as humanly possible then, I don't want to lose people. I've already started talking to Ausir, Vault founder and Curse employee, so we'll see :D
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Well, look like it's time to gather up all the small animal bones and sell all this gold for good old bottle caps.
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I'm not understanding the relationship between Curse and The Vault.
Maybe somebody can 'splain it to me.
*thinks*
unless it involves animal fetishes.
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We've told you before nobody wants to explain things to you through the medium of animal fetishes.... nice try though.
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I'm not understanding the relationship between Curse and The Vault.
Maybe somebody can 'splain it to me.
*thinks*
unless it involves animal fetishes.
Basically, all it is is that Curse is a company, and it hosts the Vault, although we have full control over it. Until Ausir buys his own servers, that's the way it'll have to be ;). Ah, yeah, also Ausir works for Curse. And there are a few 'furries' over there, though they creep me out for the most part, and the one I talk to I never ask about that...
I can think of no worse fetish :'(
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I'm not understanding the relationship between Curse and The Vault.
Maybe somebody can 'splain it to me.
*thinks*
unless it involves animal fetishes.
Basically, all it is is that Curse is a company, and it hosts the Vault, although we have full control over it. Until Ausir buys his own servers, that's the way it'll have to be ;). Ah, yeah, also Ausir works for Curse. And there are a few 'furries' over there, though they creep me out for the most part, and the one I talk to I never ask about that...
I can think of no worse fetish :'(
Dont say things like that!
Your not thinking hard enough *shudder* People are creepy sometimes :(
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I can think of no worse fetish :'(
You aren't trying hard enough.
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Do you see what you've done?
Inviting the UV into the community should spark the same debate as adding the uncle who always has a full bottle of whisky in his sporran, pukes in his kilt at weddings and passes innapropriate comments on your 16 year old daughters friends to the top table at your wedding where your boss is invited and when it's a drink free affair.
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Do you see what you've done?
Inviting the UV into the community should spark the same debate as adding the uncle who always has a full bottle of whisky in his sporran, pukes in his kilt at weddings and passes innappropriate comments on your 16 year old daughters friends to the top table at your wedding where your boss is invited and when it's a drink free affair.
Seriously, that wasn't me! I can prove it! I lost my sporran years ago.
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Whats a Sporran? :embarassed:
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And there are a few 'furries' over there, though they creep me out for the most part, and the one I talk to I never ask about that...
I can think of no worse fetish :'(
Rule 34, man. Rule 34. How long have you been on the internet?
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Whats a Sporran? :embarassed:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sporran&l=1
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:laugh: I forgot about those links :embarassed:
Eh, What can I say, sometimes im just REALLY lazy. ;D
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Something worse than bestiality eh?
Hmmmmmmmm ::)
Let me just... erm... well there's... no, not that...
Nope, I'd rather be screwed by the inappropriate uncle, although this was one of the creepier ones I ever came across. Fun bed time watching was the documentary on it...
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/bodyshock/4od#3070276
You can watch it if you are in the UK, but still the animal thing is creepier than the Scottish uncle. Now if he was a hill-billy, or that shady race, a scouse, then you should be worried...
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Something worse than bestiality eh?
But it's not bestiality. It's anthropomorphism. And there really aren't many who take it to a sexual level. And more than a few view it little more than another form of cosplay. (Darkfox (R.I.P.), a UV member, was into cosplay furry.)
Granted, it's not at all my thing, and I find it odd, particularly those who actually believe they have the soul of an animal in them, but it's a wide spectrum of people who fall under the umbrella of "furry".
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I remember knowing a few furrys and I really don't understand where the hatred comes from. (Not saying that everyone hates them)
The ones I knew for a brief while were really friendly, but I still don't understand the culture side of it...
From what I remember, none of them were attracted to animals... I hope and most of them liked to draw them. I will say, however, that a lot of them do make good artist and have quite creative minds.
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I remember knowing a few furrys and I really don't understand where the hatred comes from. (Not saying that everyone hates them)
It's the standard of the loud minority. For the most part, furries are fine and then you get that one
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I see, after you saying that it was anthropomorphic, I asked one of them, and it turns out I had it wrong in that like you said, it's a bit of cosplay, whereas I got the impression it was finding actual animals 'attractive'. Thank God for that. I still find it creepy, but less so. Which throws the question of the inappropriate Uncle into doubt. Not having any uncles, I would imagine I could weigh up the two more easily and on a theoretical level, but still... :laugh:
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The creepy uncle in my analogy was just a drunken sot who sums up the drunken, inappropriate and mad as a bag of cats character of the village as a whole. Nobody is expected to sleep with him.... he clearly expects to be slept with but the road to drunken letchdom is paved with broken dreams... just ask BC, maybe not the drunken bit but still.
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The creepy uncle in my analogy was just a drunken sot who sums up the drunken, inappropriate and mad as a bag of cats character of the village as a whole. Nobody is expected to sleep with him.... he clearly expects to be slept with but the road to drunken letchdom is paved with broken dreams... just ask BC, maybe not the drunken bit but still.
I have a counter-argument somewhere.
Well... I'm pretty sure I do.
Or did...
Wait...
What was the question again?
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so did we move?
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so did we move?
It's still being discussed, no news as of yet.
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I vote yes - no brainer move, imho.
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I vote yes - no brainer move, imho.
Thank god; I was afraid I hadn't met the qualifications.
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Hello Owl! I hope you remember me, cause I remember you :)
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Oh my Owl, what have you been up to?
Anouncements like that usually precede the production of illigitimate children.
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Hello Owl! I hope you remember me, cause I remember you :)
Everyone knows Owl, even lurkers like me that he's never heard of before... ;D
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heh - I remember everyone, and everything - Regardless of the amount of ale imbibed.
It's one of my superpowers. :)
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LOL Thats good to know
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Bad news everyone, in Ausir's words: "unfortunately it turns out that Curse isn't interested in hosting them, as much as I would like that myself. :( Ausir 22:29, 2 August 2012 (UTC)".
So, that ends this discussion on moving, so I'll go back to the drawing board and come up with something else to save this place. I'll check with one of my friends regarding NMA, and see if they would.
I must admit, if there were any problems with it, I must say that I didn't think Curse would be it, but there you are. If it stays here, I'll try to come up with something to send traffic this way still, but I don't really know right now what that will be.
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Well, damn. Atleast you tried man :)
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Curse isn't interested in hosting them
I would never want to be part of an organization that would accept us as a member.
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But WE accept OURSELVES as members of THIS "organization" :o
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I think you misheard, it's "disorganistation" not "this organisation"